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I hones...I posted about this too (and quoted you). I honestly don't feel comfortable at all talking about the current standards for women. BUT, what I do know is that I sure hope they don't make the standards for men any harder. It is all I can do to run a 3:10!The Boring Runnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13073380265420100975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-83478011105895269782010-10-21T23:32:58.004-07:002010-10-21T23:32:58.004-07:00Maybe *all* the age group standards, men and women...Maybe *all* the age group standards, men and women, need to be looked at again?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15351362929986243024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-11010241474797889112010-10-20T18:26:13.313-07:002010-10-20T18:26:13.313-07:00not sure i agree or disagree. my opinion might cha...not sure i agree or disagree. my opinion might change if i had already qualified and ran it.. however it hasn't and i haven't. so i really don't know how i feel or what to say.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11825097650104995097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-64433933476206020652010-10-20T11:01:28.823-07:002010-10-20T11:01:28.823-07:00Hey as much as I hate to say it, I am not opposed ...Hey as much as I hate to say it, I am not opposed to the times being changed. I am a half hour from qualifying as it stands now (can I please borrow your 3:42? ha ha) But the thing is, I think that the disparity in men and women racing has decreased, and the qualifying times should probably show that. Maybe next year so I can qualify though ha ha ha...Caratunk Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00042653100322091843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-19968935709305180542010-10-20T08:12:29.439-07:002010-10-20T08:12:29.439-07:00Late comment, but I ran Boston when qualifying mea...Late comment, but I ran Boston when qualifying meant 2:50 for all men, regardless of age, and 3:20 for women. Qualifying meant one was an excellent runner way back then.<br /><br />Of course, there's still Fukuoka. You have to be invited for that one and I think the cut-off is about 2:25 for men and 2:50 for women...SteveQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16943650844671498074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-8612849596969322862010-10-20T07:54:57.788-07:002010-10-20T07:54:57.788-07:00I agree. The qualifying times for women should be ...I agree. The qualifying times for women should be bumped from 30 min. diff. to 25 - 20 from mens BQ times.Joannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09461582280228312213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-89589122547973703312010-10-20T05:49:43.686-07:002010-10-20T05:49:43.686-07:00i wanted to comment last night but i cannot commen...i wanted to comment last night but i cannot comment form my computer at home so i had to wait.<br /><br />I just want to make a few points for the sake of debate/discussion. There is all this talk that the women's times need to be faster...BUT until the BAA posts what percentage of entrants are men and what percentage are women, we can't really point the finger at the women's times. Is the real issue here that too many women signed up???? or is the real issue that EVERYONE signed up at the same time???? we don't know yet. last year boston was 42% women, and 58% men, we are all curious to see what it will be this year. if it is still less than 50%, i doubt the BAA will change the times. If it is over 50% then maybe they will. Now i'm just throwing this out there...but a 40% female and 60% male ratio is acceptable...but if it was 60% female and 40% male then it would not be acceptable?? just saying...<br /><br />personally, i think its unfair that a man my age has to run a 3:10 and i really feel for them. BQ'ing is a huge accomplishment, but i do feel more impressed when a man BQ's than a woman, just being honest here. i would HATE HATE HATE to see the BAA cut their time down to 3:05 or 3:00, that would break my heart. ont he other side, i wouldn't mind seeing the women's time get cut down to 3:35 or 3:30. But before that, i think they could stop allowing people to defer their entires and they could make qualifying times good for only 12 months too.<br /><br />this year there were more people qualified, naturally, because registration opened a month later, allowing more time for ppl to BQ at fall marathons. <br /><br />Someone needs to look at every marathon ran in the last few years to see how many people BQ'd and compare it with this year. What's the REAL issue here? is it that too many ppl are qualifying?? or is it that everyone signed up at the same time? i don't know. the BAA did warn people it would sell out fast and they urged everyone to sign up immediately.<br /><br />natural talent will always be there for some, special invitations will always be there, what's fair for some isn't fair to others etc etc., i think the times are posted for equality purposes, keeping the field at 40/60 or 50/50, if that's no longer working then they need to be changed. if they cut 10 minutes off the women's times then i would guess the percentages of women would significantly drop. There is a reason for the times being what they are, the BAA didn't just make up these numbers. Are they outdated? maybe. but i don't think it's as simple as saying cut 10 minutes off the times. <br /><br />i am really interested to see the percentage of male to female runners this year.<br /><br />thanksBethany + Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15378086868631816980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-32599883867993164082010-10-19T21:07:24.773-07:002010-10-19T21:07:24.773-07:00I totally agree, not that you'll notice 45 pos...I totally agree, not that you'll notice 45 posters later...and GREAT BLOG. I qualified on my first attempt, but I still think that was an accident. I didn't know! And it was downhill, ha. I ran as slow as I could on the uphills and as fast as I could on the downhills. How's that for a strategy? It's still my fastest, and that is NOT impressive.elainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12127336504429450857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-89187607952990104842010-10-19T20:20:37.959-07:002010-10-19T20:20:37.959-07:00I'm nowhere near qualifying for Boston, and I&...I'm nowhere near qualifying for Boston, and I'm okay with that. I'll either get there eventually or I won't, whether or not the qualifying times change.<br /><br />That said, while I don't necessarily have a problem with the qualifying times changing, I don't think it's as simple as women getting faster. Men have gotten faster, too, in the last forty years. Does it make sense for the Boston Athletic Association to raise the bar? Sure. Running standards have changed over the years. But I don't think raising the bar can be accomplished solely by narrowing the gap between genders.catrionahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14278833272150028895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-85513634150475479292010-10-19T20:19:22.187-07:002010-10-19T20:19:22.187-07:00I would say tighten up to bring the gap closer. I ...I would say tighten up to bring the gap closer. I think we can "man up" and run faster if we need to. 5 minutes-10 minutes is a huge time to shave however if it is fairer then let's do it. Eek, that means a lot more training for me....Iselahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09254031096229193568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-6997182116474668222010-10-19T19:44:56.749-07:002010-10-19T19:44:56.749-07:00Nice post! I agree. Tighten it up. We can handle i...Nice post! I agree. Tighten it up. We can handle it - most women I know love a challenge.Jaime Runshttp://jaimeruns.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-8179051168985170392010-10-19T16:30:36.574-07:002010-10-19T16:30:36.574-07:00Ah, Boston! How I want to run thee... I was 16 sec...Ah, Boston! How I want to run thee... I was 16 seconds away...<br /><br />Those seconds... aaaah!<br /><br />BUT! I whole heartedly agree. The gap between qualifying times for men and women seems unfair. I say, a 20 min difference would be fair and justified, but not a whole half an hour as it is now. <br /><br />A good read today, btw. Thanks!Ulyanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15241777042565026574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-51488980633112105332010-10-19T15:36:19.109-07:002010-10-19T15:36:19.109-07:00Never ran a marathon, may never run one, I don'...Never ran a marathon, may never run one, I don't know, but if my goal was to qualify for Boston, I would want to do it and be part of a super elite crowd and then be able to go. I don't like this lots of people make it and then can't get into it. Kinda ruins the moment! I am in favor of upping the standards 5 or 10 minutes. Probably not a group I will join, but if Boston Qualifying is on so many people's lists than it should be fully (attendable) attainable.track coach and adorable wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15687538676703896501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-74056287315091884202010-10-19T15:02:12.012-07:002010-10-19T15:02:12.012-07:00I think it could be lowered too. Or the men's ...I think it could be lowered too. Or the men's could be increased a bit ;)kilaxhttp://www.ilaxstudio.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-35340041317109761342010-10-19T14:36:29.117-07:002010-10-19T14:36:29.117-07:00Now for some Boston Buzz Killing of my own. Bosto...Now for some Boston Buzz Killing of my own. Boston is a legacy, it is what it is because of it's long history. At 113 yrs, it is the longest running marathon in the world. Because of it's huge history, everyone wants to run Boston, therefore the need for qualifying times.<br /><br />Boston may be the oldest, have a lot of media coverage, a lot of prize money, a lot of hype, but for the middle of the crowd runner, is it really the best marathon? I would say absolutely not. Run Boston to add the finisher medal to your trophy case but with respect to the actual course, logistics of the race, quality of experience, etc. There are many marathons out there that I would easily rank above Boston.<br /><br />Marathons are really about personal taste but for those of you reading who are not fast enough to qualify, don't get wound up about it, I would argue that there are better marathons out there that don't require qualifying times.<br /><br />I have been running marathons and ultra marathons since 1982, I can't tell you how many because I stopped counting long ago. I grew up in a suburb of Boston and ran the marathon in 1983. I have been running the Denver Marathon for the last several yrs including this past Sunday. I have to say, I have enjoyed the Denver marathon far more than I enjoyed Boston and you don't need to qualify to run in Denver. Sometimes we make more out of the things we can't have than what they really warrant.<br /><br />DanaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-68753435112035542972010-10-19T14:09:08.942-07:002010-10-19T14:09:08.942-07:00I agree with you. Honestly, it should be harder to...I agree with you. Honestly, it should be harder to get into Boston, like it is super hard to go to Kona. I qualified in my first marathon, on 30 miles a week. That should not happen. I like the criteria for New York, I think those should stay for Boston. It is much easier for women at all ages to get into Boston than it is for men, and that does not speak good about women. We are strong, and we should not be given the easy out (or in). I agree with what you said - if you know that you need a 3:30 instead of a 3:40, you will get that 3:30, it may just take you longer.Running and livinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00057835870342142162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-82509219740804171162010-10-19T14:04:24.252-07:002010-10-19T14:04:24.252-07:00Coming from the "yet to BQ/possibly never wil...Coming from the "yet to BQ/possibly never will" side of the argument, I could really care less what the time standards are though I can see the point that the haves want it to be harder for the have nots to become haves. Why share a good thing, right?<br /><br />All kidding aside, maybe they keep the time standards the same and then if you want to BQ for a second time you not only have to have run your qualifying time again AT Boston (because how many people actually re-BQ at Boston?), but you have to run 5 mins faster at any other BAA Qualifying race before you can claim BQ status again.<br /><br />I also like the idea of only having so many entries at each BAA Qualifying race for the top finishers in each age group (like Ironman), and you have to register right then and there or you lose your spot. That's gold.The Mommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09480649343516575364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-46450492281299635312010-10-19T13:55:23.296-07:002010-10-19T13:55:23.296-07:00I totally agree. They should base the qualifying t...I totally agree. They should base the qualifying time differences on the differences between average finish times (at max), or perhaps somewhere between the average difference and the world record difference. Selling out in 8 hours is just ridiculous.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13190658685122861111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-41769850043712907622010-10-19T13:47:14.075-07:002010-10-19T13:47:14.075-07:00As much as it would suck, for me, since I have nev...As much as it would suck, for me, since I have never qualified and am very far from it . . . I do have to agree with you. 5 minutes would be okay . . . <br /><br />I have no lofty dreams or desires to run Boston but if I did qualify, I am sure I'd be all excited and into it too . . . right now I am content with my slow status. Maybe some day when my kid is grown and I have the appropriate time to train . . .trailmommahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989462989068742386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-55380385066695761192010-10-19T13:46:21.697-07:002010-10-19T13:46:21.697-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.trailmommahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05989462989068742386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4433152851906592254.post-45122264734121344882010-10-19T13:27:21.364-07:002010-10-19T13:27:21.364-07:00My HALF marathon PR is just shy of 3 hours (2:45),...My HALF marathon PR is just shy of 3 hours (2:45), so my opinion may be completely useless. However, if my goal was to qualify for Boston, I would want to win my BQ with pride and not have anyone telling me that I only qualified because I'm a woman. Sure, men will always be stronger and run faster but women are indeed closing the gap and the qualification rules should reflect that.Sabrina Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04088863391221577942noreply@blogger.com