Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Did He Run a Sub-3 Hour Marathon? Nope.

Monday, the day of laboring, was a rest day around here. We headed to Water World for a last ditch effort at summer fun. I wore a white bathing suit with white underwear and white pumps because it was the last day to wear white. After Labor Day, you get arrested.

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Okay, I was kidding about wearing all white.

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I’ve said it before – I’m not a big fan of amusement/theme parks. Too many people, piercings, tattoos, lines and screaming children. Not that I’ve got anything against piercings (I had my ears pierced in 4th grade!) and tattoos can actually be pretty intriguing and studly (although I do not understand the sun tattoo around the belly button. Reminds me of something that rhymes with nut roll). I will say that belly button piercings should be reserved for those few who are blessed with amazing tummies, but most people missed that memo.

Moving on, it’s been a good week in my running world.

Monday: Rest
Tuesday: 6 miles with 4 mile tempo @85% heart rate max (HRM)
Wednesday: 7 mile easy @75% HRM
Thursday: 4 miles with 2 mile tempo @85% MRM
Friday: 7 miles easy @75% HRM
Saturday: 90 minutes hot yoga
Sunday: 12.6 miles (trail/climbing) @75% HRM

Total miles = 36.6

This morning I tried out my new Saucony Kirvana 3s.

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The reason I got these is that I had read great reviews on them from you all and places like Runner’s World. I really want to be in a shoe with a low heel to toe drop because this makes finding my mid foot easier. I also like a light, flexible shoe. I’ve been running in the Brooks Pure Cadence, which I like, but they weren’t the perfect shoe for me. With just a 4mm drop and weighing in at 7 ounces, the Kinvaras seem to fit the bill. Cool color assortment too! So far I’m finding them to be comfortable, with a soft feel. I like that the toe box is not as wide as the Brooks.

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Now bear with me while I tell you something I don’t understand -  what is with Paul Ryan fudging his marathon time? If you missed it, last week in a radio interview he was asked if he had run a marathon before. Ryan said “Yes”, and when asked what his time was he said, “Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something.”

This answer caught the attention of Runner’s World since most people don’t run that fast even when they are P90x superstars. Runners World did some vetting to find that Paul Ryan ran the Grandma’s Marathon in Duluth, Minnesota in 1991 when he was 20. His time? Four hours, one minute. Hmmm…that’s kinda different than 2:50 something.

I am not making a reference to politics here, people –please don't make this that debate. I would call out any Tom, Dick or Harry (including Biden or Obama) in the public eye who fudged like this. I mean we’re not talking a few minutes discrepancy here!  To his credit, maybe Ryan used this calculator (hilarious! Thanks Melissa!).

To non-runners, this might seem inconsequential. So what if he misquoted his time by over an hour? He probably forgot! And for God’s sake our nation is in an economic crisis!  But as runners, we know that it’s tough to forget your marathon time, especially if you’ve only done one. Ryan later claimed it was actually his brother who ran the fast marathon time, and he got mixed up. To which I said, “Yeah, I ran a 2:24 marathon once. Oops, no that was Kara Goucher.”

I do think it’s fun to note how many of those on the national ticket have run marathons:  John Edwards has run 3:30, George W. Bush has run 3:44, Sarah Palin has run 3:59, and Al Gore has run 4:58 (I think global warming got to him that day).

Do you remember your marathon times (especially your first or your PR)? What are they? You can brag here. I’ve only run three marathons, but I’m not forgetting my times anytime soon, even if I become famous. My first was 4:03 and my PR is 3:43. I could recite those numbers in my sleep.

Did Ryan forget, or was he just trying to look good? I don’t know. By now, he has to know anything he says will be scrutinized, so maybe it was an oversight? (I’m being nice)

Do anything fun for Labor Day? After a tough day at the water park I made bean burritos, had some wine and watched the season finale of Breaking Bad. Glad to see it’s coming back next year!!

SUAR

94 comments:

  1. 4:19. Or wait... maybe it was 3:01... it's hard to remember. ;)

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  2. I don't think he had a clue, didn't have a good answer so said the first thing that came to his mind. Clearly, running is not a big deal to him or else he would have 1. remembered his time 2. gave a more logical guesstimate as to what his time actually was or 3. just said he's a recreational runner and didn't remember. It's just like a politician to make something up rather than say "I don't know" or the truth. gasp!

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    1. that was almost exactly my conversation with my husband! Why didn't he just say "I don't know" or "I really don't remember"? He would've gotten way less flack for *that*...

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    2. Exactly. He probably doesn't even care about running any more. ::GASP!!!::

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  3. My first marathon is etched in my brain (7:04) because at 4 minutes over the time limit, the race gave me DNF. You betcha that fired me up enough to knock 18 minutes off my time. And yes, I proudly can recite my full marathon PR (6:46)without much thought. For some reason though, I have a hard time remembering my 1/2 marathon times.

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  4. OK here are all of mine
    5:21
    4:43
    4:41
    4:59
    4:21
    3:34
    3:46
    6:11 (at Ironman St. George)

    That is information you never forget!

    And ha ha ha "nut roll"

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    1. I wouldn't be bragging about those times!

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    2. 7 marathons and an Ironman! I think he/she has earned bragging rights!

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    3. I've done 13 and two IMs- but don't share my times or brag about them 'cause they don't mean ANYTHING!

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    4. I'd say 3:34 is to brag about! Apart from times, the number of maras shows commitment, dedication and improvement, which in my book, is always impressive.

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  5. Did you see the paul ryan race calculator?
    http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/?submitted=yes&time=3%3A33%3A18&distance=marathon&gender=f

    I'm almost at world record pace with that! I admit that I forget the seconds of my first marathon, and don't really remember the exact times of any other than my BQ time and current PR for the marathon. I'd like to forget my Boston time.... It was pretty bad. I do know my marathon time for the Ironman, and it thankfully was still below 5. It was also just seconds away from my mom's one and only marathon. She beat me, but didn't have to swim or bike first....

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    1. That calculator is hilarious!

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    2. That calculator really helped me redeem myself for my poor showing at Chicago last year, when I succumbed to the heat. Thank you, Paul Ryan, for making this possible! ;p

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  6. Yeah, that whole PR thing--we all forget, right? Disturbing is how I see it.

    Nice week of running for you! I tried the Kinvaras and they just didn't work for me. The material came up too high and I ended up with bruises when I'd descend from the shoes hitting my ankles/tops of feet. Everyone else seems to love them, though!

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  7. I just got a pair of Kinvara 3s as well..and am LOVING them. I never saw myself in a shoe like this, but I am so glad I took the leap. It was like my tight IT band just up and flew away 1k into my first run in them!

    as for marathon times...well let's just say, I ain't setting land speed records...but I'd never say it was lower than it was...I earned every minute of that struggle at 5:44

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  8. I haven't run a marathon yet, but I don't really even remember my pb on my 5k. My 10k, I remember, and my half marathon, my first I'll be running this Saturday.

    Not sure why he lied. Even if I rarely remember my exact PB time on that 5k, I know it was around 33 minutes (turns out it was 32:58-so good enough for government (or private sector) work), but sometimes I say, 32 minutes, which is almost a minute off...but I'd NEVER say it was a sub-30 time.

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  9. If he would have been off by a couple of minutes, I would say he forgot, but he was way off. I don't think it was premeditated, but I think he was on the spot and fudged it. I really don't know why he would though.....so silly!

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  10. 4:58 (I guess global warming got me too). I also remember the other 20+ various races I ran and the finish times. I just don't see how you can forget your first/only marathon.

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  11. At first I thought it would be humanly impossible to not remember your own marathon time. (4:41 over here. I'm more proud of my 1/2 marathon under 2 hours). But then Ryan is known for being an all around athlete and not specifically a runner. I also considered maybe he ran that fast as a "bandit" somewhere. I am concerned about his lack of diligence for the truth on this matter. I love it that Sara Palin beat him. George W. really is an excellent athlete, but never seemed to brag about it our the media was not as interested. I think Ryan should train and beat that time so he can live up to his bragging. But he is too busy with a different type of running.

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  12. Did he think no one would look up his actual time? Just seems like a very weird thing to lie about!

    We took our kids to the zoo yesterday and drank summer ales after they were in bed. Toasted to the last night of summer...and woke up to another beautiful day and forecast for a gorgeous (hot) week! So I'm going to pretend it is still summer for another week (while happily sending the kids off to school in the morning!)

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  13. That is so bizarre. While I might be able to understand not remembering the exact time after 20 years of running my only marathon . . . I can't imagine guessing and giving myself a time an entire HOUR better than I actually ran it.

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    1. That was my thought ... sure, after 20 years you might forget the details by the exact minute, but who would forget the exact HOUR???

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  14. he could have approached it differently, by stating his true time and then going on about how physically demanding the race was. He would have gained a lot more respect that way.

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  15. If he would have been off by a few minutes or even somewhere in the ballpark of 3:30-4:00, I might have been able to understand it since it was a long time ago. He claims to be at least a recreational runner. Anyone who runs even recreationally and who has family members who run marathons knows that a sub 3 hour marathon is a huge feat so why he would throw that number out there is beyond me. The part that is really perplexing is that if he really didn't remember, then why get so specific with the 2:50 something part of the answer. Even something as generic as "somewhere in the the threes" wouldn't have irritated me as much as the answer that he gave. I think he has lied so much that he can't remember how to tell the truth.

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  16. I remember every stinking, rainy, cold minute of my 4:53 marathon. I know I wouldn't have made it without my BIL coaching me through mile 21- when my uterus threatened to fall out- or my husband providing gloves every 2 miles because we couldn't stay dry. I even remember all 6 of my half times.

    My husband is a crossfitter and I compared it to his weight max. You just don't forget/misremember an event in time that you work for. You just don't.

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    1. I would certainly TRY to forget a 4?53 marathon where you were miserable for most of it. THey are supposed to be FUN! All mine were! (13 of them!)

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  17. He's so full of sh@t! No one forgets, and if they do they probably should not have some important job like running for office.
    4:12 Portland
    3:54 Eugene
    It's seared into my little brain.

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  18. I remember my first 10k time but not my first marathon???? Damn, I must have killed those brain cells.........

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  19. Maybe he is one of those people that automatically make everything sound better. I work with a girl like that. All her stats are so over exaggerated that I never believe her.
    I am pretty good with times, but I've never ran a full marathon, and I'm getting elderly. I cannot remember when I started running exactly and that kinda chaps my ass. I guess I should get out my old calendars. 2005, 2004, 2006?? I have no idea, plus I have no idea when I stopped smoking. It was March, I remember that and I remember making a very detailed plan. I know it's been YEARS but some remember the exact day and I don't. But I wouldn't lie about it. George W. ran a marathon? I feel like I need to beat all those politicians times - on principle.
    Great week of running!! I wish I could run in a more minimalist shoe - but my Plantar Fasciitis says "no way jose". I tried and it came back so I'm working on my form and strengthening my foot and then I'll work my way back and not be so careless!

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  20. Clearly he has some issues with exaggerating the facts. Check out his VP speech and all the errors he had with Obama's record. Ugh
    Good running. What are your tempo paces? What are u training for?

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    1. The tempo pace all depends on heart rate. Usually I am at about 8-8:30. I'm training for the Denver Half in a few weeks, but really I'm just trying to see how I can improve performance with heart rate training.

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  21. i thought this was really weird too...yes anyone who has finished a marathon remembers that time!! Especially when you've only done one because it's a really huge accomplishment.

    Ok uber jealous of your 3's right now. I loved my 1's and 2's...definitely time to expand the closet :)

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  22. I have a pretty terrible memory, but I remember my first marathon time approximately -- not to the minute, but I definitely know what number of HOURS it begins with. Of course, I've run more than 1 and running is a big part of my life, so I've had reasons to look back at it. I think it's definitely possible he didn't remember his time, but why would you wildly guess in an interview? That's just stupid.

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  23. not only do i remember my time of my first and only (so far) marathon, I remember the exact date, location, what a wore, temperature outside, the smell I emitted when done, the fact that I passed out on the hotel bed in full marathon gear and woke up smelling much worse then before. I also remember what I ate before and after, and how they didn't have any snacks or water at the finish line. I can also tell you the funniest signs from that day. Now how the heck does one not remember their time? ugh - I hate liars. Are we sure he's a runner????????????????

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  24. I want to hear more about your shoes after you wear them for awhile. I too had that weird inner knee pain with the cadence

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  25. 2:17. Oh wait, that was my half marathon PR. I got confused. Sorry. No marathon for me.

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  26. 3:54 Toronto Marathon 2011

    5:04 Ironman Mont Tremblant 2012
    lots of walking

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  27. I've ran a couple ultras and 3 trail marathons and honestly, just don't remember my exact time on any of them. I do keep a log with my times in case I need to look up a finishing time. (and of course, there is Athlinks) Maybe he fudged, maybe he is just clueless like me. :-P

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  28. I've only done one marathon, as part of Ironman. Not that many have asked about the run time itself, but it was 6:34 and change. I had to look the actual number up, and normally I'd just say six and half hours. The whole IM time is engraved on my brain, though. I would like to do a marathon by itself, maybe the Terry Fox run, and I will be thrilled, THRILLED I tell you, to get anywhere near four hours.

    He didn't forget. He was just trying to be a star. I suspect he'd been reading run porn, and just remembered that a sub-3 time is pretty darned amazing, and gosh, he'd think, I'm pretty darned amazing, so I must have done sub-3. If it wasn't for the Praetorian Guard around the candidates, I'd love to see someone with a bull horn asking if that particular fact is another sub 3 marathon.

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    1. "run porn" totally cracked me up.

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    2. "and gosh, he'd think, I'm pretty darned amazing"~ Nice. I got a giggle out of that, too.

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  29. "Rhymes with nut roll"

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

    btw...I'm a way faster runner now thanks to my new Pace Calculator!
    http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/

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  30. Let's just go with my worst marathon time, which was just a smidge under 9 hours for the Pikes Peak Marathon a couple of weekends ago. To be exact 8:59:57. I'm with ultrarunnergirl. We might forget minutes and seconds as the years go by, but surely he remembered how many hours it took. Are republicans supposed to be richer *and* faster? I'm confused... :) Its possible he was nervous and forgot but if he's truly stretching a fact most Americans don't even take note of, what is he doing with the big issues? A bit scary.

    We took our first family trip through Rocky Mountain National Park for Labor Day Weekend. It was awesome! Already saw a peak of fall color here and there.

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  31. 3:50. Oh wait, I forgot, I haven't run one yet. Silly me...

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  32. I have run 17 marathons and no way in the world anyone could mistake a 4 hour marathon with a 2:50. I still remember the times from every marathon. 1st 5:45:00, best, 4:04:50

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  33. I had to look up the time for my first marathon in 2006, but certainly knew by the memories that my 4:39 finish wasn't anywhere near "under 3 hrs". My fastest was the 2010 NWM, with a 3:41.

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  34. 3:56 and 3:30....shooting for another BQ next month. I hate when people lie about running times!!!!!!!!! marathon times are not something you "forget". EVER! love your blog girl:) i'm going to go change into an all white outfit before heading out for errands;)

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  35. I've run one marathon (multiple halves...) and couldn't tell you my time, other than it was 5 hours, something.

    I love my Kinvaras too!

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  36. 3:59
    4:42
    3:15
    3:34
    2:56
    2:51
    2:55
    3:03
    2:55
    2:48
    3:04

    My best guess is that Paul Ryan believed with every ounce of his soul that he ran two fifty-something when he answered that question. Somewhere in his mind he remembered that sub 3 hours is considered a pretty awesome time, and so that's what he must have ran, because, well, he's pretty awesome at everything! That may tough for non-narcissistic personality types to understand, but I'm pretty sure this is the way a typical power seeking individual thinks.

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    1. I try to stay away from politics and did not even know who this "Paul Ryan" was. However, I am an familiar with narcissists, and this is absolutely true!

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    2. I thought narcissists have BLOGS.
      And really...find me the true source and not just "hearsay".

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  37. Kris "just a hair over 4 hour marathon" MinerSeptember 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    His real time was 26.2 miles at a 9:20 pace. I ran almost exactly that in my marathon and it almost killed me - my heartrate averaged 170 beats per minute for the entire (just over) 4 hours. It's a respectable time and anyone who is *this close* to 4 hours does NOT forget that they were one minute shy of that coveted "sub four hour" status. The time he tossed out comes out to 6:35 per mile. FREAKY fast, even for a very fit 20 year old male. It's such a ridiculous lie that I honestly don't know if it means he's REALLY forgetful (what else would he forget if he's in charge?) or really stupid (no one will check!) or bat sh*t crazy (9:20 per mile is about the same, give or take, as 6:35 per mile..." None of those are traits I want in a leader.

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    1. I didn't even think about the fact that going 1 minute over would certainly even make it more memorable!

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  38. yeah 8:29 since I had to email the race officials to include my finishing time and adjust it from my starting time since I was the last female at Chicago in 2010. Since I had proof by a picture my husband took they accepted it since the timing mats were gone.

    While I understand that regular people don't see what the big deal is maybe it's because us runners know how hard it is to do what he claimed to do. It's not really a little white lie imo but just a part of who he shows us he is.

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  39. No excuses. I remember all of my marathon times. Maybe not down to the second but within a minute or two. Sometimes I confuse clock time and chip time.

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  40. Since I am training for my first one, I will say I will KNOW that time without even thinking about it. I can't wait to run!

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  41. I have run 7 marathons and can remember every one. I can't imagine boasting that my time was an hour faster even to my non-running friends who always ask, "Did you win" when I come back from one of my races.

    I love the calculator. With the calculator, I BQ more than 30 minutes under my time - Will the BAA honor this?

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    1. Love that all your friends ask if you won the race! My 7 year old asks me that. He "ran" a 5K with me last year, and according to him, we did win! Anything I start and finish is a win in his book. Darn, I love that kid.

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  42. I'm in training for my first marathon, but can remember every 1/2 Marathon, 5K, and 10K showing (mostly b/c I write the time/conditions/notes on each bib). I do like the calculator because it makes the poor race I had on the 4th of July (bad,bad race) seem so much better!

    Yesterday I had a fantastic trail run, then went to watch the Nationals beat the Cubs. It was fun.

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  43. I've never ran a marathon (yet) but my time was 3:15... Oh and I qualified for the Olympic trials with that time. Yeah baby! Lol.

    Is it had this this influences my opinion over the kind of VP he will be a lot more than his political agenda?

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    1. Grammar- I've never RUN a marathon yet...

      And a 3:25 will NOT get you into the trials.
      Get with it "runners"- oh you aren't.

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  44. I've run 18 marathons and can tell you the times of them all....first was 3:59:23 in 1997 :). I get that "real" runners probably don't give a crap what their time was...but agree with those above to just say, "I really don't remember...".

    Great running week for you, girl! Woohoo! LOVE the Kinvara!

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  45. The thing I find most amazing at theme parks is that fluoro pink bikinis are made in size 24 and most size 24 women feel that fluoro pink is their colour.

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  46. I totally remember my first marathon and my PR because they were 3 years apart, same race, RnR Mardi Gras - I went from a 4:15 to a 3:06! But the races in between have gotten a little fuzzy. In fact I don't even remember running some of those races. Sometimes I think, "Charlotte? I ran a marathon in Charlotte?" Heh.
    Oh and that calculator rocks. I set a new female world record with it. Who knew it was so easy?!

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    1. Okay, you need to tell me how you did that. 4:15 to 3:06. Let me in on your secret.

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  47. nut roll! ha! I'll admit I was reading this and it took me a good minute of going through rhyming words to get it. But then, of course, I laughed and snickered. Funny.

    And yes I think Paul Ryan is a fibber. But let's assume he just forgot ... he just makes some crap up? What does he think nobody is actually listening or checking?

    That calculator is hilarious.

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    1. Exactly! If you really don't remember, tell the reporter, "You know, it was over twenty years ago and I just don't remember, but I'm sure you could find it somewhere," and leave it at that. Thinks he ran a sub-three, but isn't quite sure? No one, and I mean NO ONE forgets running a sub-three if you actually did that, especially for your first and only marathon. (Pardon me Mr. Ryan, but your pants are on fire!)

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  48. "We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers," Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said at a panel organized by ABC News.

    This campaign also won't be dictated to by other pesky things like reality, physics, not being The Flash or the fact that Runners World will immediately sniff out your PR malarky[1] and hunt that stuff DOWN and OUT YOU. We reject your reality and substitute our own!

    [1]- Especially when your imaginary PR would not be out of place at the Men's Marathon field at the 2012 Olympics.

    If that's how he rounds numbers 4 and under, I'm pretty sure I don't trust him with the big numbers involved in a national economy...

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    1. 2:50 will not get you into the trials much less to the starting line at the Olympics. Are you HIGH?

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  49. Wow! I'm shocked at how easily swayed some of these readers are. We're all guilty of exaggerations, yet we're ready to throw Ryan under the bus for slipping. Oh, and he admitted his error in accidentally giving his brother's "time". So, where's the "lie"? C'mon people, take a look in the mirror, before you so quickly judge.

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  50. George W. Bush ran a marathon? I was not expecting to hear that!
    Paul Ryan is from my home state, and I'm sorry...

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  51. While lying, forgetting, fudging, whatever the reason is for misstating his time is really no big deal in the scheme of things - I think it's sort of an issue when someone isn't truthful in something as small as that....it's hard for me to believe he got goofed up - I think he said something he thought would sound impressive. And if you're willing to omit the truth for something this inconsequential (assuming running is nbd to him) then what other answers are dishonest/not well thought through/just telling us what we want to hear?

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  52. Is it possible he did a half-marathon somewhere in that time? I haven't been following this at all, but maybe that's his excuse? I dunno.

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  53. No way will I ever forget my times....first was 3:46:24--yes, I remember it down to the second--and PR is 3:33. Maybe in 10 years I'll be off by a minute or two when I try to remember my times, but definitely not by an hour :)

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  54. I ran a marathon, I think it was in 2008.....the years run together. I have also run a lot of halfs, alot. I don't remember my time all I know is i finished the mother f'er, and I was faster than Katie Holmes who ran the New York, or Boston that same year. I don't remember that either. I just wanted to beat her. I can't remember hardly any of my times, or for that matter all the states I ran in. I can tell you that my husband has run exactly 31 marathons or ultra marathons in 27 different states so far. His best time ummmmmmm (I'm the freaking bookkeeper) don't remember on the spot. But I did run a marathon once for real. I sincerely don't think a man of Paul Ryan's intelligence (and he did great things for Wisconsin) would seriously tell an all out lie knowing that anyone with a computer or a google app can look it up as fast as their internet connection! I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

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  55. And by the way, for those of you that think that Paul Ryan's possible exaggeration was an all out lie.....Just wondering what the weight is on your drivers license

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    1. Show me the source and I will show you my driver's license...127...NOT a lie!

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  56. I wonder if his brother busted his chops for "stealing" his time. Just finishing a marathon is impressive enough, he didn't have to fudge his time. Or he could have said he didn't remember. I think that would have been the better way to go. Now I question the stat I heard on the radio that is % body fat is something like 6%. That whole radio discussion disturbed me. And this does too! UGH!

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  57. I'm thinking he didn't realize how many runners there were in his audience and what a big deal this would be. It was all over the running boards really quickly, took off like crazy! I think most of us remember our times, to the second, and we if we don't we're not usually off by over an hour! Good luck with the new shoes!

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  58. He must have been thinking his half marathon time. I run the half in the 2:50s after getting food poisoning - cough Vegas RnR cough.

    I now run almost exclusively in Saucony Fastwitch 5. A show that gets a lot less attention than Kinvara, but is awesome with a 4mm drop and a little support for those who need that sort of thing.

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  59. I just started running 26.2! I have a 4:42 freedom run-4:29 Richmond -5:01 hatfield and McCoy ! Training for Columbus:) looking for my sub 3!! Well really 4:15... I am excited that I will be traveling to boulder this month! Can't wait to hit some of the co trails!! Carol- WV

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  60. I honestly do not remember my first HIM nor the year (83-86 is my guess) and it might have been anywhere between 6:30 to 8:30. I think it was likely 7:30ish but I really don't know. I do remember I "trained" for it by doing double aerobics classes. Yeah, that worked. :) My first IM (and marathon) was last November. Time was 13:5something and marathon was 5:18 to 5:28 ish - somewhere in there and I'm pretty sure the last number was an 8. So yeah, I pretty much suck when it comes to remembering athletic events. I've never done a standalone marathon. Too scary. I'll stick to mine stuck at the end of a triatlon.

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  61. Definitely 2:12. Um, no, sorry I got mixed up. I haven't even run a marathon yet. But I dreamed of doing it-does that count? LOL!

    Shannon
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  62. He knows though. He's a fit guy. And had he run a sub 3 it would NOT have been his last marathon because a. he would have been tapped to run for someone (sponsor) for another marathon and 2. He would have been "hooked", just like the rest of us got "hooked" when we first PR'd. But I think he wanted to forget his four hour marathon, and his brain got all kerflubbled. He just didn't think anyone was listening.

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    1. 2:50 is NOT a fast marathon time for men. Where are all you living? under a rock?

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  63. I don't know, I have misstated my time before by accident. If it was 10+ years ago and it was a one time race not a lifestyle, I can see where you might forget the time. I give him a pass on it.

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